under current conditions.
My only intention is by announcing this, is so that breeders do not get caught up sending alpacas via NZ, and then realising that they are stuck there, and the expense to get the alpacas to Eu from NZ, will be approx 5 times the previous price, and the current price we offer via the alternative Prooven Route, which is a much simplier, and risk free alternative.
After exhausting efforts we have negotiated the following services from NZ into Europe.
Singapore Airlines and I have looked at the possibilities to ensure that we have connecting services after Cargolux pulled out of this region.
Its a freighter service so 2 tier crates are available on each flight making it cost effective.
At this stage all charges will remain the same so this is great news for all concerned and no US transit permits!!!!
1 x 2 tier crate (up to 24 head)
SQ7295/Sun STD AKL 0140hrs STA SIN 0830hrs
SQ7364/Sun STD SIN 1020hrs STA AMS 2210hrs
Thank you for presenting a broad side view of ....................... of existing UK-DEFRA + EU protocol specifically prevent “any aircraft change” along the delivery route between NZ and UK/Continental Europe. I have had many phone/email exchanges with SQ in both NZ and SQ, post Cargolux, to established under what conditions SQ would offer a same through aircraft. Back on 18th-August SQ proposed the two B744F services below “Based on a change to protocol allowing the aircraft change”. We accepted SQ’s conditions and move forward. To the best of my knowledge, as at yesterday (4/9/10) there has not been a change of protocol.
.................... protocol ....... goes further, SQ’s offer of their two CONNECTING flight is also conditional of the SIN/AMS scheduled service times being able to change to make the connection work – otherwise they do not.
Thanks for the opportunity to separate fact from .................... proposal clearly showing lack of attention to protocol detail.Third expert response
Your email of the 19th August has come to my attention and I would respectfully like to point out the following:
After the withdrawel of the weekly Cargolux Freighter service Sydney>Auckland>Los Angeles>Luxembourg, I feel it is important to draw your attention to the 'Addendum for Transport of Animals by Air' which forms part of the Export Certificate for Llamas and Alpacas to the European Union (including Switzerland and Norway) LAMANIEC.EU 01 December 2008 page 8 of 8. A copy is attached. The Certificate number (top left hand corner) is an export certificated signed 22nd August 2010. This complies with the European Commission Directive which clearly states that there are to be NO PLANE CHANGES.
MAF NZ is well aware of this as the last time this rule was broken, the export of alpacas was completely stopped. We had an anxious time getting export trade re-instated.
For our part, we are looking for ways to export alpacas from New Zealand to Europe other than the current service that complies with the rules. We are continuing to move alpacas, albeit in single crates for the moment.
I would like to give my response to the huge ? which will muddle anyone that does not understand the workings of the export game, governments and protocols.
For the original suggestion to work, it is not the decisions of 1 person or exporter, but it has to be agreed upon by the EU, firstly to change the protocol, as per The third response.
Whilst in Singapore the doors are opened, which is IATA regulation, and this is not allowed by the EU protocol.
The reason it is not allowed by the EU protocol, is Singapore is in a permanent BTV Zone.
To change this Eu protocol or obtain a dispensation odes not happen overnight, and can only happen government by government.
You also have to negotiate NZ MAF to also agree, to any conditions the EU proposes.
By experience with the EU committee, this is not an easy exercise, and the EU commission will not budge on anything to do with BTV, (Blue tongue), As per the Expert 2 response, there is a lot of things tat play to make any connection work.
Currently Promises is not proven and risky.
We now can currently export via our alternative route, with no risk, and deliver to 8 destinations throughout Europe.
We can currently still supply the NZ customers with flight arrangements going through to AKL and now i am told through the Christchurch. All Main deck which means double and 5 times a week, which works out pr KG (animal kg weight), $9.45, If i look at the freight cost only for the Aus through to PEQ and then follow on to Eu (8 destinations), it works out $39.13 per kg, (which it always has been),
and still moving considerable amount of animals a not determined on trying to make up the double crates.
Currently, on small payload lots, freight only, from AUS via Auckland, then the follow up flight through to Heathrow, works out $59.33 per KG, flight alone from Auckland to Heathrow, small payloads, works out to $48.32 per KG.
This is current facts.
No what ifs or risk.
We have proven that we can easily, with less stress all round, complete the journey through our alternative route, hassle free.
AND IMPORTANTLY ON THE CURRENT EU PROTOCOL.
PLEASE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK.
I CAN GIVE YOU AN HONEST CURRENT SITUATION ON ANY PROTOCOL FOR ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, ON ALPACAS, AND I CAN GET THE CURRENT FLIGHT POSSIBILITIES TO ACHIEVE A HASSLE FREE SHIPMENT TO THE DESTINATION COUNTRY, MEETING ANY CURRENT PROTOCOLS.
I HAVE BEEN SHIPPING ALPACAS NOW FOR 8 YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN USED AS A CONSULTANT TO REPRESENT THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT AND BIOSECURITY IN MEETINGS WITH THE EU COMMISSION, I HAVE ALSO BEEN THE CONSULTANT FOR NZ MAF AND AUSTRALIA FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ANY PROTOCOL OR CHANGES TO PROTOCOL FOR THESE GOVERNMENTS, I HAVE ASSISTED OPENING NOW 4 COUNTRIES PROTOCOLS FOR ALPACAS AND OTHER SPECIES. I AM ON THE AUSTRALIAN EXPORT COMMITTEE, I AM A MEMBER OF LIVECORP,
I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN UNDERSTANDING PROTOCOLS, AND UNDERSTANDING RISK IN TRYING TO CHANGE PROTOCOLS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE EU PROTOCOL, AND THE REASONING BEHIND THE EU PROTOCOL.
AS I HAVE SAID, THE ABOVE FROM EMAIL SENDER NO 1, IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AS THIS EMAIL HAD BEEN SENT TO MANY EUROPEAN, NZ AND AUSTRALIAN BREEDERS.
I HAVE OMITTED ANY NAMES PURELY, AS NOT TO BE POLITICAL
I HAVE STATED THE EXACT FACTS AT THIS CURRENT TIME.
I AM NOT MISLEADING ANY ONE WHICH WHAT I HAVE STATED ABOVE.
THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE I OFFER, HAS BEEN COMPLETED THROUGH TO EUROPE, AND RISK FREE, AND STILL COMPETITIVE IN PRICE TO WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
I AM ONLY OFFERING FACTS AT OF THIS MOMENT.